I will never forget the first time I heard Hana say, "I hated being a mom and I hated being a wife," while she was standing next to her husband Will (who is one of my best friends) and thinking to myself, "Holy sh*t this is uncomfortable."

In this episode of The Shift, I sit down with my friend and one of my former coaches, Hana Catlett, brand archietect, wife, and mother of two. Hana's transparency around being a mom shocked me from the moment I first heard her say she hated it, and hate seems to be an understatement. Her words now: absolutely despised.

In this episode she gets real about motherhood, the parts most women don't say out loud. We get into why modern motherhood is basically engineered for isolation, and what got lost when we stopped raising kids in villages. Mother or not, this one's a gut-punch. Listen in.